Ukrainians have lost their illusions, but have they become more mature? Social and military psychologist, psychotherapist Oleh Pokalchuk, at the invitation of the “Experts’ Club,” explains why generalizing is dangerous, how the war destroyed the “adolescent” optics of society, and why black-and-white thinking has become a way of survival. In the second part of the conversation, he also talks about fatigue from heroism, demographic challenges, and the country we will have to become.